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Rabe
He/Him
- Today at 12:12 AM
- #9,526
Pkd said:
For the kind of IoM forces, I'd imagine one that's sizeable but not so big and a mish-mash of different forces like few warships/transports, handful of Astrates, some IG regiments, and etc.
But still would be neat of fracturing of ISOT'd IoM forces with some that're more friendly and aligned with the UEG/UNSC (maybe some going native) while others are not and doing their own thing?
one space marine chapter barge and we suddenly have a Human coded banished faction picking up abandoned/lost innie worlds for its bread basket
RichardScepton
17 y/o AMV editor and fanfic writer
- Today at 12:21 AM
- #9,527
How would a Letters from Iwo Jima/Flags of our Fathers movie combo be, detailing the war from the human and Covenant perspectives? For example, one detailing a human's POV, and another detailing a Covenant's POV. The epilogue could be them both meeting the other after the end of the war or smthng.
A major plot point could be some desperate UNSC forces making a last-ditch banzai charge against Covenant forces about to storm a spaceport, catching the enemy off-guard and maiming quite a few Covvies in the ensuring chaos, at the cost of being wiped out to the last man.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRUXez7YoIo
(basically this, but with the charging Japanese replaced by Army troopers with full auto firearms available)
I think such a charge would definitely be enough to make the Sangheili start to have second thoughts about the war at the very least.
Pkd
- Today at 12:24 AM
- #9,528
TheLastSterling said:
I meant that as 40k stomping halo being as cliche as halo stomping mass effect be it discussion or story.
I just wanted suggest as a discussion how a situation and reaction from the 40k factions being placed in a weaker position.
I suppose a better way of doing this is the 40k factions that are ISOT'd are in smaller numbers (though still able to pack a punch) and in a countdown if one is going with a total universe ISOT where the Warp doesn't exist or in a weak state that forces relying on warp are greatly weaker; and dealing with number of equipment becoming irreplaceable or difficult to maintain – lacking resources that are non-existent in the Halo universe.
Rabe said:
one space marine chapter barge and we suddenly have a Human coded banished faction picking up abandoned/lost innie worlds for its bread basket
One (damaged) battle barge with a chapter that suffered some losses and taken in remnants of few IG regiments and other auxiliary forces? I would think of throwing in some other vessels like few transport ships and minor support warships.
Course what chapter should the battle barge belong to anyway? Like the Minotaurs? Additional idea I had was one smaller group of IoM ISOT'd force aligned with the UEG/UNSC, mainly ground forces of the reasonable bunch that reflect their more extreme brethren?
RichardScepton said:
The Covenant POV would be exploring the sheer horror the average Covenant troop engages in and a growing feeling of doubt from a Covenant warrior.
Lord of Chromius
The Chromatic Lord
- Today at 1:02 AM
- #9,529
RichardScepton said:
How would a Letters from Iwo Jima/Flags of our Fathers movie combo be, detailing the war from the human and Covenant perspectives? For example, one detailing a human's POV, and another detailing a Covenant's POV. The epilogue could be them both meeting the other after the end of the war or smthng.
Pkd said:
The Covenant POV would be exploring the sheer horror the average Covenant troop engages in and a growing feeling of doubt from a Covenant warrior.
Hmmm.... I feel like for the Covenant POV, most of the trauma would be coming from the knowledge of the sheer amount of civilians they were killing or condemning to death.
I may not be remembering this well, but I swear in Waypoint years ago there was an animated short of a Sangheili officer, maybe a shipmaster, who recalled some of his actions during the War while walking on a former UEG Outer Colony and thought about the scale of slaughter/glassing they were committing to the humans. Even became horrified when he inspected one of the bunkers meant to house hundreds of civilians and found nothing more than a room full of corpses that died as a result of the attack he participated in.
Immortalslayer1247
- Today at 1:09 AM
- #9,530
Lord of Chromius said:
Hmmm.... I feel like for the Covenant POV, most of the trauma would be coming from the knowledge of the sheer amount of civilians they were killing or condemning to death.
They will certainly help a bunch of therapists retire.
toaster_bathtub420
- Today at 2:36 AM
- #9,531
Immortalslayer1247 said:
Being fast doesn't help much when it's essentially armored with tin foil compared to every other 40k fighter. And do remember that the "maximum recorded speed" for the 40k fighters is their speed at 5000 feet.
And that highest speed belongs to the eldar nightwing so my earlier statement isn't wrong. I'd like to add that being fast does help especially since no one can chase you and anti-air weapons can't hit you (depending on the type). Lastly the Nando carries what are basically anti-tank auto-cannons making any fight with them a nightmare.
Immortalslayer1247
- Today at 2:47 AM
- #9,532
toaster_bathtub420 said:
Lastly the Nando carries what are basically anti-tank auto-cannons making any fight with them a nightmare.
So does pretty much every 40k fighter. Also maybe you aren't aware of this but just because it can go mach 12 doesn't mean it will, especially not in combat. Do you really think that a pilot would be able to fight when going that fast let alone maneuver. Seriously it's the same with fighters like the f-22, can it go over 2000kmh? Yes. Will it be going that fast especially in combat? NO.
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toaster_bathtub420
- Today at 3:08 AM
- #9,533
Immortalslayer1247 said:
So does pretty much every 40k fighter. Also maybe you aren't aware of this but just because it can go mach 12 doesn't mean it will, especially not in combat. Do you really think that a pilot would be able to fight when going that fast let alone maneuver. Seriously it's the same with fighters like the f-22, can it go over 2000kmh? Yes. Will it be going that fast especially in combat? NO.
And we do know the nando can maneuver at those speeds based off the feats in one of the books where it punches through the clouds at Mach 12 hits some covenant ground forces and pulls back up into the clouds before master chief can even see it or who ever the protagonist of that book was.
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Immortalslayer1247
- Today at 3:27 AM
- #9,534
toaster_bathtub420 said:
And we do know the nando can maneuver at those speeds based off the feats in one of the books where it punches through the clouds at Mach 12 hits some covenant ground forces and pulls back up into the clouds before master chief can even see it
Eldar fighters can do the exact same and yet despite that they still can and have been killed, and that still doesn't change the fact that compared to every other 40k fighter the nandao might as well be unarmored. Also proof that it was actually flying at that speed when it arrived. Because unless there was a Spartan piloting it there is no way that a regular human could pull off what you are suggesting when going at Mach 12.
toaster_bathtub420
- Today at 3:39 AM
- #9,535
Immortalslayer1247 said:
Eldar fighters can do the exact same and yet despite that they still can and have been killed, and that still doesn't change the fact that compared to every other 40k fighter the nandao might as well be unarmored. Also proof that it was actually flying at that speed when it arrived. Because unless there was a Spartan piloting it there is no way that a regular human could pull off what you are suggesting when going at Mach 12.
I'm sorry but how is this hard to believe, the UNSC literally has gauss cannons mounted to light vehicles like the warthog that fires projectiles at Mach 40 realistically that should send what ever it's mounted to flying but it doesn't. The UNSC also uses artificial gravity so that might play a role in how the pilot is able to withstand those G's
Immortalslayer1247
- Today at 3:49 AM
- #9,536
toaster_bathtub420 said:
the UNSC literally has gauss cannons mounted to light vehicles like the warthog that fires projectiles at Mach 40 realistically that should send what ever it's mounted to flying
Really? I'm pretty sure no one actually uses the Mach 40 gauss gun numbers, due to just how stupidly ridiculous it is. Also this has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.
toaster_bathtub420 said:
The UNSC also uses artificial gravity so that might play a role in how the pilot is able to withstand those G's
My problem has nothing to due with the pilot surviving at those speeds (but hey way to twist my words in your favor). My problem is them being able to react to things at that speed because in case you weren't aware normal humans can't process and then react to things at lightning fast speeds.
RichardScepton
17 y/o AMV editor and fanfic writer
- Today at 3:53 AM
- #9,537
Immortalslayer1247 said:
Really? I'm pretty sure no one actually uses the Mach 40 gauss gun numbers, due to just how stupidly ridiculous it is. Also this has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.
Well IIRC the Gauss Cannon is indeed Mach 40, the figure comes from The Essential Visual Guide, Encyclopedia, Reach game stats(?), Evolutions, and the Phoenix logs in HW2. So five sources that I know about, and possibly more.
I mean, they have the Stanchion, which is basically a handheld rifle that shoots slugs at significantly over the Mach 40 figure. The Gauss Cannon won't be much of an issue
Immortalslayer1247 said:
them being able to react to things at that speed because in case you weren't aware normal humans can't process and then react to things at lightning fast speeds.
Also not really my place to interfere but can AIs play a role? Because an AI assisted pilot with neural uplinks might help the issue somewhat.
Immortalslayer1247
- Today at 3:57 AM
- #9,538
RichardScepton said:
Well IIRC the Gauss Cannon is indeed Mach 40, the figure comes from The Essential Visual Guide, Encyclopedia, Reach game stats(?), Evolutions, and the Phoenix logs in HW2. So five sources that I know about, and possibly more.
I mean, they have the Stanchion, which is basically a handheld rifle that shoots slugs at significantly over the Mach 40 figure. The Gauss Cannon won't be much of an issue
Still doesn't change the fact that it had absolutely nothing to due with what I was talking about.
RichardScepton said:
Also not really my place to interfere but can AIs play a role? Because an AI assisted pilot with neural uplinks might help the issue somewhat.
Doubt it, and when have we ever seen a regular vehicle equipped with an AI.
RichardScepton
17 y/o AMV editor and fanfic writer
- Today at 4:02 AM
- #9,539
Immortalslayer1247 said:
Does a 'regular vehicle' have any relevance to what you two are discussing when it's literally a random 40k fighter I know nothing about vs the Nando, which is something I know equally jacksh*t about save perhaps the fact that it has a pair of 30mm autocannons and that's it
Immortalslayer1247
- Today at 4:08 AM
- #9,540
RichardScepton said:
Does a 'regular vehicle' have any relevance to what you two are discussing when it's literally a random 40k fighter I know nothing about vs the Nando, which is something I know equally jacksh*t about save perhaps the fact that it has a pair of 30mm autocannons and that's it
By "regular vehicle" I meant things like standard tanks and fighters. And as for its relevance, it's because you asked if an AI might be helping the pilot, so I asked if equipping an AI onto standard vehicles is something that the UNSC actually does.
toaster_bathtub420
- Today at 4:14 AM
- #9,541
Immortalslayer1247 said:
Really? I'm pretty sure no one actually uses the Mach 40 gauss gun numbers, due to just how stupidly ridiculous it is. Also this has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.
My problem has nothing to due with the pilot surviving at those speeds (but hey way to twist my words in your favor). My problem is them being able to react to things at that speed because in case you weren't aware normal humans can't process and then react to things at lightning fast speeds.
Ignoring official lore because you find it unbelievable is a good way to cause pointless arguments because I can just do the same to you but I won't let's keep this civil.
I apologize I assumed that you meant the pilot surviving the G's at those speed but you meant reaction time. If I remember correctly those who pilot aircraft have a special neural lace and helmet to help control the craft there could also be a slurry of programs to prevent crashes that we don't know about but that entirely speculative. Lastly we do know that Ai can auto pilot ships like the longsword so having a dumb Ai onboard to help isn't out of the question.
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DragonKnight374
- Today at 4:16 AM
- #9,542
Immortalslayer1247 said:
By "regular vehicle" I meant things like standard tanks and fighters. And as for its relevance, it's because you asked if an AI might be helping the pilot, so I asked if equipping an AI onto standard vehicles is something that the UNSC actually does.
Not standard vehicles, but ONI's been known to throw AI in with operators when it comes to the specialty vehicles such as Baselards and I believe there was at least one case where they threw an AI in with a cyclops operator. Considering that the Baselards were made before the Nandao, which was made to both assist and even take the place of in certain missions, it would make sense for Nandao's to have AI compatibility. Granted, the situation where AI was utilized was also special because some of said Baselards were being piloted by Spartan IIs from both Green and Gold teams.
There is though two more advanced fighters that are confirmed to be AI compatible and just as capable of a Nandao, if not more so due to increased armor, armament, and having access to shields all while maintaining combat speeds of up to Mach 12. Not operational or top speeds, combat speeds, as in how it's intended to fly in a fight in a fight. The S-930 Pegasus and the FSS-1000 Sabre
Edit: Still, this is ONI, so while you do have a point, there are still outlier groups with the UNSC that would be more than willing to sacrifice an AI to score a good couple of kills on harassing elements that are making the main force's job harder.
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Chiufan95
So close, yet so far.
- Today at 4:18 AM
- #9,543
Can people take the VS Debate elsewhere?
RichardScepton
17 y/o AMV editor and fanfic writer
- Today at 4:21 AM
- #9,544
Immortalslayer1247 said:
By "regular vehicle" I meant things like standard tanks and fighters. And as for its relevance, it's because you asked if an AI might be helping the pilot, so I asked if equipping an AI onto standard vehicles is something that the UNSC actually does.
Yes, because I mean Dumb AIs. Which is so commonplace you literally see garbage trucks with them.
Apologies if you didn't get my point right, I thought the context was enough for you to figure it out yourself
TheLastSterling
Maybe I shouldn't have posted that.
- Today at 6:49 AM
- #9,545
Am I being pedantic for saying it's a bit unfair that 40k tech has to be taken at face value, while halo tech has to be disregarded for being "ridiculous"?
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